Friday, July 31, 2015

Atlantic Discussions - 'Aiming for clarity' writes: Between the costs of compulsory education for illegals who are children and incarcerating criminals who are illegal, states like CA hemorrhage tax payers' money. - Thank you for your excellent reply. Long ago I was "banned" for life from commenting at Atlantic, by that Ta-Nehisi Coates person, for calmly bringing up the subject of Black-on-White violent crime on a thread where it was totally appropriate. In other words, the loving Tolerance Police struck again.


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Between the costs of compulsory education for illegals who are children and incarcerating criminals who are illegal, states like CA hemorrhage tax payers' money.

Just on education: under the June 1982 Supreme Court decision in Plyler v. Doe, the court was clear that "states cannot constitutionally deny students a free public education on account of their immigration status." That is an **enormous** cost that the states and local tax payers bear. Tax payer funded benefits mis-allocated to illegals should have been directed to a citizen or permanent resident lawfully present in the U.S.
The taxes that illegals pay do not offset the costs that illegals represent. Ostensibly, tenants "pay" the landlord's property taxes (which support school districts) through rent. But as many towns with large illegal populations will relate, many, many illegals occupy rental units beyond the intended occupancy of such apartments. Per person, each illegal would "pay" a very nominal portion of property taxes that support school systems. That means that school districts are sustaining more students than the tax base would reflect.
Illegals do pay some taxes, e.g., user taxes. As well as SS under fraudulent/ stolen SSNs. But it's hardly the case that illegals pay enough taxes, fees to cover what they cost in the U.S. And depending on the service/ benefit in question, are very likely to be drains. This argument that illegals are a boon is LAME and not supportable macro-wise.
As to so-called Dreamers and other illegals: "earning citizenship" means that you enter lawfully, pay U.S. taxes as they are due as you earn income from employment, and abide by local law. The U.S. is not like a McDonald's, where anyone can be illegal, stand in line with a promise to pay U.S. taxes in the future, to later collect U.S. Green Cards to then apply for citizenship and a passport.
It's untenable arrogance to unlawfully enter the U.S. to then assert that the U.S. owes the illegal a U.S. stay, access to jobs, driver's licenses, tax payer funded education, healthcare, housing.... At minimum, it's not fiscally responsible for U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents who pay taxes and vote. And it's not fair to those who have lawfully entered this country.
The southern border is in urgent need of enhancement/ expansion. Most of illegal immigration into the U.S. has consistently originated from the same countries: Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. "According to DHS’ Office of Immigration Statistics (OIS), an estimated 11.5 million unauthorized immigrants resided in the United States in January 2011. The latest available estimates from DHS, released in March 2012, suggest that the unauthorized population was virtually unchanged compared to the revised 2010 estimate of 11.6 million.

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